Let's move forward...

Man a live! This mean-spirited vitriol is really taking away from our forum’s value, in my opinion. It is so counter productive that I have stopped reading some members posts – which is a bad thing!

Clearly there are some things that could be improved in the game, several in fact. Many of the contributors have made valid and considered points/recommendations; unfortunately there are those that only seem to want to provide us with their nasty, emotional and personal attacks and want to roll back to TF1 with enhancements (TF1.1). Next they will say they want their “outstanding stats” (their opinion) brought forward, so everyone will know how wonderful they are!

Let us consider a couple of points before we rush too far down that road:

· Quote: “…(more COD-like instead of boosting the things that made Titanfall unique)…” interesting since in TF1 the creators, former COD people literally copied from COD! As an example the upgrading of your guns with scopes, suppressors, grips etc. There were other minor things, which if I am correct was a part of the lawsuit brought by the COD people… They changed this away from the COD model in TF2 – was that part of the settlement?

· COD copies TF1: yes that is what happened after TF1 was out and along comes Advanced Warfare with “jump Jets”, parkouring and an almost exact copy of the TF movement system.

o BO3 - toned it down a bit and I believe that is because their maps just didn’t support that movement system, as do the TF maps that are designed with that movement system in mind.​

o Infinite Waste (sorry Warfare) – let’s go to space and the future, just like Titanfall and try to make our maps more user friendly for this dumbed down movement system. The thing is that IW is so weak they had to bring a re-mastered MW back to carry the load. I understand there is even Titans in the game????​

· Bottom Line– COD is selling out to TF not the other way around; as some would have us believe.

· Quote: “…Titanfall 2 has been decimated in the press.” Just completely inaccurate and a twisting of the facts.

o Community Reaction - recently looking on another forum which is a traditionally a big supporter of COD there are many unhappy players with several posts about what a great game TF2 is and that people may want to give it a try…​

o Friends – yes I do have some… last evening I reviewed my friends on both consoles, most of them are COD friends as that was my long time game. It was about 3:1 people who were playing Modern Warfare vs those playing Infinite Warfare; now this is not empirical data just another indicator of how much trouble IW may be in!​

o Public Media – a good deal of positive posts, YouTube vids and commentary about what a great game TF2 is. I posted a couple of them and they are not all from TF fans.​

§ Players – on Monday morning I went on both consoles and in total there were 20,000 plus players on and that does not include PC – when was the last time TF1 had that many?​

· Timing: Originally I thought that the timing was terrible, hindsight being 20/20 it seems obvious that this might have been perfect as many disenchanted COD players (like myself) may look for another game and if they like FPS then TF2 is a natural choice – yes there are others but they are not new. There big mistake was lack of aggressive marketing.

· Sales: Respawn had several tough decisions to make as they thought about TF2 and I am sure they recognized they would not have the initial sales results like they did for TF1, the reputation was damaged after the launch, so what should they look at:

1. Financial Viability– with the current user community, can this game sustain itself and provide the necessary ROI. If we don’t come up with a viable plan will we be able to attract future investment?​

2. Look and Feel – if we keep the same look and feel will we be able to attract a new larger community. Given how the initial launch of TF1 fizzled out would a TF1.1 really draw players back? Do we have to provide something that builds off the TF1 concept/model but offers a new more player friendly experience? Something that is different than COD. This might mean that we would be abandoning some of our current user base!​

3. The Analysis – how do we decide on our course of action to meet or exceed our goals is the question that Respawn had to address, resulting in some tough and bothersome decisions.​

a. Hardcore – this is a very small segment of the current user base and we can afford to lose them – in marketing terms we call this “firing the customer” which is what you do if they are not profitable in the long-term.​

b. Dedicated – these are players that love the game and the basic premise, most would stay with the new version albeit they might not be overly enthusiastic but will adapt.​

c. Casuals – players that come, go and comeback for another try; they have no great loyal to the game - this is a target segment as they are familiar and may not be avid because they were not totally happy with how the game plays but like the concept. If the new game can appeal to them they may move up to “dedicated” or at worst stay as casuals.​

d. Lost Souls – this group was part of the original wave with TF1 that bailed after a while (me included). This group may be willing to give TF2 a chance and if they like it (they feel it is an improvement over “1”) then they will stay.​

e. New Entrants – players out there that have never played TF but like what they hear and see so they give it a try – this is the big win if Respawn delivers a product that they like and decide to stay. With the negative reaction to IW this makes the timing perfect, if it is real.​

All of this is to say that if Respawn didn’t take drastic action to bring in a larger more diverse community there would be no TF3; it would simply not provide the financial returns so they would move on to other projects, ignoring this fact is just simply wrong.

Now some of the rhetoric I have read on our forum got me to thinking, is there another agenda going on, for instance did someone apply to Respawn for a job or offer suggestions that were ignored and as a result have made it their mission to “dis” Respawn and this game at every turn. I am not saying that is/was the case I am just saying it has been so personal and hostile that it causes one to wonder. What must forum visitors think and how will they react? Likely they will reconsider getting into TF at all, a loss for all of us!

Lastly there are the personal insults to those that don’t agree with the divergent points of view – no we don’t need a “slap in the face” those sorts of comments just cause people to turn away and ignore the messenger and his/her message. When someone suggested that we should encourage gamers to go out and buy a copy of TF1 for $14 (bought mine for $9) and everyone play TF1 then they (Respawn) will get the message. I would have laughed if it weren’t such a sad, ridiculous statement. They couldn’t get/keep people the first time around why would they do it now.

This forum is an opportunity for us as a TF community to promote our game, new players that drop in and see all this angry, negative stuff are likely to bail from the forum and the game and how does that help our community going forward (worth repeating). I want to have a TF3 and trust that if we deliver positive criticism Respawn will respond by giving us the game we all want to love. So I say let's stop this trash talk and move forward, together – live with the game we now have, count on them to deliver enhancements in upcoming DLC/updates so we get where we want in the end.

I started this by commenting that there were many good suggestions/comments made on this forum I want Respawn to listen to them and make adjustments they believe are consistent with their goals for the game. The recent update is testament to the fact that they are listening to the community and making adjustments. To that end we must tone down the rash, emotional commentary and keep it positive and constructive. As someone who has been where they are I know that they just tune this harsh, unhelpful stuff out. Unfortunately the “screaming” just falls on deaf ears and some excellent points will go unnoticed and I do not believe that is in our best interest – we want them to open their ears so lets give them something to listen to!

Thank you for allowing me to expound on this topic and contribute in what I trust is a positive and constructive way…

 

Thanks and I sure you realize I feel the same way that is why I went to the trouble to make this post...

 

Absolutely, and if you took that I thought otherwise, I'm sorry it was not my intention - I want everyone to play and grow our community so we can have a better and better game as we go forward.

 

Thanks 3G

 

Hey Rain, thanks for taking the time to read my post and respond. I was trying express what you said, just took too many words once I got on a roll.

PS: I hope you give it another try as it grows on you... over all it is a pretty good game, if TF1 never existed I think people would be raving about what a good game it is...

 

Yes a list would be good, my point isn't to discourage critical comment but rather to reframe it in constructive terms so the folks at Respawn and others visiting our forum will respond positively - make some needed/wanted changes or in the case of visitors join the community.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

 

Yes it was, sorry I thought I clicked like on my iPad - fixed it... thanks for pointing it out.

 

I have no problem with "venting" until it becomes personal. To imply that those that don't agree with our point of view are less qualified or don't have a clue (I paraphrase) that is going over the line. I tried to make it clear that I respect the opinions expressed even if I don't share them and I stand behind that; there have been many good points made by everyone venting or pom poming!